Supposedly he retconned himself, so this would mean pre- and post- retconn are same power level. . Stronger than scp-3125 who in turn can exist in noosphere, noosphere contains and surpass narrative within scp which in turn even one narrative in surpass uncountable infinite narratives and oh yeah by the way this is THE SMALLEST narrative and it’s already pre retcon beyonder in turn there are infinite narratives which each surpass each other in. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. The Beyonders have nothing to do with Pre Retcon Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Add a Comment. While The Living Tribunal is rated 1-A (more than The Beyonder)and 616 Eternity or Multi-Eternity is rated High 1-B (same as The Beyonder). Dr Manhattan isn't a match for Galactus, and Galactus is a mere insect to the Beyonder. Thanos with the HotU has destroyed a Celestial, absorbed every Marvel hero, and then subsequently Eternity, Infinity, and the Living Tribunal. 9 Doctor Manhattan: Like A Duck To Water. 5. 33. when people talk about pre-retcon marvel like pre-retcon beyonder or pre-retcon molecule man what storyline was the retcon. 6 years ago. normal Round 2. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. 9: Dr. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but the Maker (one of the. no. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. 8 K. 10 years ago. 2. Beyonder needs some preparation. the dunamis demiurgos is supposed to be a 1/half copy of the presence's power. Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. 0. Sensing that the Beyonder is a power beyond the multiverse. Indeed. The time lords are at their best. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). edit2: One big gotcha I should mention. #28 ovy7. Reality merely became whatever the Beyonder's imagination was. Who will win?Pre Beyonder Or CC Goku, Xeno Goku, Rimuru, Gilgamesh And SinbadTop 10 strongest universal characters rankingPre-Retcon [Non-Canon] Franklin Richards;. 8 years ago. ago. PRB was TOAA before TOAA was a thing. beyonder is just human level because he looks like a human. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. Super Power Score and Level. Yeah true. The Beyonder might be incredibly powerful (especially in his pre retcon state), but power means nothing to something which predates and transcends things like power, life,. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Otherwise there is. By the way what is Hajun's power i mean kkk is has no official English translation and baste on what i know from all the translated content his basically Lung from worm and can escalate his power with the. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. No prep everyone is at peak level all blood lusted to the death fight takes place in space. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. I think he wins this. ". Pretty sure it wasnt stated to end so. Pre Retcon Beyonder. Round 1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pre-Retcon Superman. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. See: Secret Wars In order to satisfy his feeling, Beyonder began a experiment where he would take many heroes and villains of Earth and put them to a test to better understand the concept of good, evil and desire. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. unlimited power to manipulate matter and energy; invulnerable. VS. 8: Hulk /w The One Below All. 3. Baby Beyonder. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. Team 1 wins. Super Power Score and Level. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Let's put it this way. ) No fan. 14 years ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. There are other impressive feats to show, but they are. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon) Contributor. Round 1 - The Beyonders & Thanos HOTU vs Pre-Retcon BeyonderAnd the Beyonder and the Molecule Man are in fact, two halves of one such Cosmic Cube. Jim Shooter who was the. Mutant Inhuman Beyonder. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. In times where he was not the absolute power in the situation, it was passed off as an M-Body. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. Lucifer could just tricked Beyonder like Molecule Man did to Beyonder. But it wont be easy by no means. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. Pre Retcon Beyonder is more insane than his diet coke race counterparts Hickman used (yes they predate Hickman as Kubik in that FF4 comic shows, I know). The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. May 26, 2023. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Manhattan is super strong. You. Aka and Lorkhan influenced and limited all Et'Ada with their power. Stage 4 - Retcon 1 - Dumb, Dumb, Dumb - It is reveled that everything in secret wars I & II was mearly an illusion. super strength is not worth much in such a fight. The Beyonder is straight up more powerful than the character used as The One Above All's proxy. Pre-retcon beyonder is equal toaa in power. Bernkastel vs her servant Will ( not an actual battle. How you interpret that is irrelevant. 3: Pre-retcon Beyonder 4: Post-retcon Beyonders. s The whole Kryptonian , Earth heroes, Justic League , Avengers, Teen Titan, Olympiancan Pre-Retcon Beyonder take all of those SPeople already think Pre-Retcon Beyonder is around the One Above All (directly below, equal, or above), so this new big bad is gonna be busted in a confusing way, since a fraction of his is power. The Beyonder beat them rather easily - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3,. #5. greater Wheel which is in tur the lowest level of an "telescope stretching all the way back to the eye of the Anui-El, with padomaics innumerable among its infinite walls",. 9. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Share to. Nothing's ever more ridiculous than claiming a guy who got extremely tired just from erasing Death from the multiverse, jobs like fucking crazy during Secret Wars II and lost a serious fight to Rachel Summers (which everyone seems to. Thanos Astral Regulator 19. Lucifer Morningstar in character could probally beat him. Current Beyonder looks to be back to his Pre Retcon level. Of course, Sentry beat MM when he was at. Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty) Respect Rick Sanchez (Rick and Morty). PR Beyonder takes it 10/10. Sep 6, 2015. Well technically Dr. Follow 3000. show 3 replies . Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. plus isnt white phoenix at lt level i hear that it is. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. (after experiencing limitation during the Doom comedy in SWI) Genius, in terms of a perfect segue to sell more comics. To start it up I am going to post some of classic Beyonder?s. Win by destroying or sealing opponent. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. 2. That said, Beyonder loses anyway otherwise and badly (really badly) mainly because Lucifer crushes the BeyondRealm and can survive all of Beyonder's max feat and max implied level of power. He holds the power millions of times greater than the multiverse and it's forces combined. Wiki Points. Cosmic Cube Beyonder. so MM was infinite chain levels of infinity power leveled. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. When the Beyonder entered Marvel, reality itself ceased to exist. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. He is the embodiment of the Beyonder Realm, a place much bigger than the Marvel Multiverse, outside of reality. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. The rest was necessary PIS to make a more interesting story. Beyonder is tier High 1-B for being an infinite dimensional being meaning that the Marvel Universe has infinite dimensions confirmed. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. At the height of his power, Pre-Retcon Beyonder gave everything that existed a few hours to continue existing before he wiped everything out. Beyonder - Writer (according to Stan Lee PR Beyonder was TOAA of his own actuality) I pretend nothing!Summary. Pre-ret beyonder was collapsing parallel dimensions as a byproduct of deep conflicting thought, Thanos could probably achieve this seeing how he wiped the universe clean but Beyonder just seems. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. Lucifer is also technically the most intelligent being in DC besides God. show 3 replies . The mightiest beings (Living Tribunal) are microbes to him. however one could always reduce a given discourse's interpretation of Mxy's power levels by bringing up his lowshowings here and there; in regards to scaling Manhattan to Perpetua, I find this really poor since the latter. Holo-Man • 3 yr. DC's cosmology is bigger than current Marvel's (due to the absolutely ungodly nerfs), but it's definitely not larger than Classic Marvel, where PRB hails from. The Beyonder might be incredibly powerful (especially in his pre retcon state), but power means nothing to something which predates and transcends things like power. on. g. 7 years ago. He is infinitely greater than everything in existance combined. Omnipotent= One above All (Not celestial) Nigh-Omnipotent= (Pre-recton Beyonder), Living Tribunal, Pre-recton Molecule Man. Fighting place: Dr. Eternity, Death, Living Tribunal, are all way more powerful than the Beyonder. The Tribunal wins this without even breaking a sweat. VS. In that case, E would be 10. There is nothing he can do to hurt him while Beyonder can snap his finger and destroy Flash and the universe. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Well seeing how ive been told i need to tone down the Superman stuff. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. It’s hard to grasp at this level, but I believe the Beyonder has far greater on screen feats, such as his battle with Molecule Man. Archived post. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. #1. -Beyonder/s are bloodlusted. Pre Retcon Beyonder is the Supreme Being. Metaphysical power sets, hax (Well, can consider both the same if you want, since Gilgamesh's hax adheres to metaphysical power sets) Beyonder has simply no resistence against, surperior cosmology. Could go either way, but I'm siding with Beyonder. #1 Hello, I completely redid Beyonder's power and abilities section from scratch. 8. He'd beat composite Superman, let alone this robot. The Beyonder is no longer able to destroy the Living Tribunal. Nightmare All Dreams 24. Someone that is perhaps the only rival of Pre-Retcon Beyonder, a crazy powerful reality bender that once clashed with Beyonder. The result is pretty obvious. The level determines the final score, of the Super Power, being used in the calculation. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). Which all adds up to TOAA FTW. Beyonder 16. Follow 41274. Power Grid [27] Intelligence@kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. pr beyonder was way above LT, even when pr beyonder was weakened, he was still more powerful than a room full of abstracts, including LT. Multi-Oblivion 22. Now in terms of power levels, oh yeah, he ridiculously outscales any of themAnd the Ivory Kings are nowhere near Pre Retcon Beyonder's power level. As for Wanda feats she reformed the multiverse (not omniverse, just the way it was used here) and ALSO stopped/controlled/dispersed. He was initially depicted as functionally omnipotent showing feats like creating planets and destroying galaxies. RRPanther • 7 mo. Pre-Retcon Beyonder: On the opposite side of that spectrum, is the Beyonder. Beyonder still probably loses to Thought Robot Superman, Final Batsuit Batman, Anti-Crisis Wonder Woman, Lucifer Morningstar and Michael Demiurgos, Perpetua, the Darkest Knight, true form Darkseid, etc. Beyonder is kicked away. A powerful alien supervillain and master of all reality, Beyonder manipulated Loki Laufeyson (not realizing it was in fact Loki who manipulated him) into telling him of Earth's existence. 4 years ago. Having said this,we cannot scale and judge Pre Retcon Beyonder from what the Ivory Kings do. even though the aftermath of it still did for the mainstream universe. He comes from outside the multiverse. Forum Posts. Also the Beyonder is whatever he decides to be. 0. Mxyzptlk. 81. But it wont be easy by no means. Jan 22, 2017. Round 4 same as round 3 the retcon happened for a reason. The Two fight in the beyond realm. A man as powerful as he is chronically insecure character, Owen Reece has the power to control all matter and energy. Scathan has decided he no longer "Approves" of the beyonders exsistance. Forum Posts. Featherine is way above than Beyonder. It is unclear whether his power under this retcon is greater of lesser than the Cosmic Cube version of the Beyonder, or if it is even at the level of Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Ah I see so when people say flash is OP what they mean is OP with respect to most commonly cited superheroes/villains. The energy breached into reality during the accident that gave Owen his powers, but as there was no container, a large part of such energy wandered off into another universe, creating the Beyonder. Pre Retcon Beyonder gets wrecked hard lol. Round 1: Eternity: Beyonder stomps. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon): vs. 2. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. Beyonder 73%. When super-amped Doom battled the Beyonder he got stomped hard. Even MM said Beyonder was well beyond him In that fight even with half his power. In other words the only feat the One Above All has that is confirmed is creating a reality of infinite. Full cosmic cubes, like Kubik and Shaper, are more powerful. Tiering System: High 1-B | 1-A Name:' The. A High Nigh-Omnipotent being; with no limits. Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him. Beyonder (pre retcon) Fixed. Fighting place: Dr. These sorts of characters tend to push higher on the scale occasionally -- notably, Molecule Man was able to match Pre-Retcon Beyonder and he and Franklin Richards recreated the multiverse. He should win against Lucifer. Archie Sonic vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder 62 results; 1; 2; pr0d1gy. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim. 3. The Darkest Knight (Man who laughs) vs The Beyonder. He made it so the Beyonders created the multiverse. Pre-retcon, he's a multiversal reality warper and does things like tear the multiverse up on accident . Vs. Dormamu Eternity Power 27. This was not just simply the power of Transcendence. A fight which takes place on countless levels other than the physical. Molecule Man, who at the time of the Pre-Retcon Beyonder was the second most powerful being EVER, let off a blast, point blank in the Beyonder's face that was said to be powerful enough to destroy THOUSANDS of dimensions, it was shrugged off by the Beyonder. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. Basically beyonder is being of infinite dimensions when He limits himself, but as beyond realm he is a creature that goes beyond all that. 11. Mee09. The Beyonder clearly held Scathan's power in deep respect. It is capable of becoming a Multiversal threat, but it's vastly weaker than any of the Apollyon-Class SCPs. 2. Each Super Power also has 3 levels (SPL). "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. Round 1: Pre Retcon. Apr 8, 2018. Anti-monitor was multiversal, Beyonder was hundreds and hundreds of times more powerful than the multiverse and is the poster boy for omnipotence (even though he's nigh omnipotent). However, he can scale to characters with immeasurable speed via statements. Apparently due to the latest post about Doom people are claiming some Bleach characters like Aizen can beat The God Emperor. Pre- Retcon Beyonder would not be that much powerful if he came now. Wiki Points. Beyonder, Pre-Retcon or Post-Retcon with minimum effort. As we can recall he was retconned, meaning most of his feats did not occur. #36. Sep 20, 2018. Here are all his interpreted levels of power. Lucifer Morningstar (with the Demiurgic Dunamis): Lucifer Morningstar traveling to Marvel multiverse towards know more about it and just traveling to events of. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. This is Post Retcon Beyonder. Also, you should prove that Dormammu and Eternity can not just destroy but ONESHOT multiverse. Biography: The man, the myth, the legend. I mean he is so omnipotent yet it looks like he can't seem to understand that to dress up you need the lights on. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. Wiki Points. We already saw alive Gil in the Babylonia arc, he shows the same power level. And all other beyonder that barely have any feat to match anyone of the above :) 1. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. People place the cosmic entities on Lucifers level sometimes lmao. He's just on a whole nother level from GEB. When Molecule Man faced The Sentry, he was in his unrestrained normal-self as he showed himself able to use his powers in new ways as he got rid of all his negative beliefs on his abilities (the Dark Reign Files are a. . Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. We should really stop putting Beyonder in Threads. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. As a result, for his experiment, he. edit3: There is one mutant whose ability is retcon. The Soruce(DC) 5. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. Pre Retcon is still cooler, jist because of cosmology Expansion, defenders beyonder seems stronger but he is featless for now. Far from Beyonder levels. Pre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Gen. Spectre, to me, has never proved to be an equal to LT. Follow 3300. And just think, he was HOLDING BACK THE ENTIRE TIME, just so that he could only FIT INTO the Marvel multiverse without IMMEDIATELY DESTROYING IT due to his massive power. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. . These are somewhat meaningless, it gets to a point where it's too abstract to try and say something concrete about. #1 Edited By XiiX. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. Super forms can change from one battle to the next in power level, although there is. Numidium 2. Stops at 4. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than anyone not omnipotent. But, that was in regard to a. the respect thread for Pre-Retcon Beyonder. 1. Pretty much unbeatable is incorrect. Pre retcon Beyonder is not a part of Thanos's multiverse, and would thus be unaffected by the HotU. Even we accept the retcon situation you defend,thats not a obstacle for Pre Retcon Beyonder and his Supreme power. ] Planet Buster Tier: Able to destroy a planet [E. Unless you thought that this was IG Thanos and Post-Retcon Beyonder, in which case your assessment makes sense. That makes me believe that Beyonder may not be all that he is made out to be. Because the Living Tribunal was not 1-A back in 1985, and that is the era when the pre-retcon Beyonder existed. Gan and Crimson King are basically super-amped versions of P. Even if that IG (which was a modern variant which has barely any universal feats) was the multiversal one it was during the Infinity Gauntlet saga, it would still not be enough to match pre retcon Beholder. Specificity of the Beyonder is that everything he thinks is real, and. ago. Pre-Retcon Beyonder probably is more powerful than current Sky-father Hercules and therefore can/should win. 111 results. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. He is the closest thing to omnipotent without being omnipotent. Creshosk. Oct 21, 2006 #2 Yeah there was a few threads about just how powerful pre-retcon beyonder is. Scans please? Also was it after Beyonder's Retcon? We can't powerscale old schoold characters from new school ones. GEB=Anti Pressence. 0. 8. The 2nd Existential Seed said: Beyonder is either one of two things: Millions times stronger then Eternity, or millions times more powerful than LT + ( Even though I believe the first ) . Round 2: White Phoenix of the Crown: Beyonder stomps. Pre Retcon Beyonder (Same reason as The Presence) Kami Tenchi (Once again, for similar reasons as The Presence) Archived post. Nope. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Power-level wise, the Beyonder is so far 'beyond' the Anti-Monitor it's not even funny. The only thing Pre retcon beyonder has going for him against featherine is that he was described as "god" in the beyonder realm to possibly put him on her level. Dr. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. Beyonder pre-retcon Beyonder > current beyonders races. Reviews: 0. ago. Poll Eru Iluvatar vs Beyonder ( Pre Retcon ) (41 votes) Eru 61%. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa. The Beyonder being millions of times the power of the Multiverse was countered by himself twicesaying Eternity and The Phoenix Force had the power to destroy him. Beyonder is the absolute strongest in comics, he has power of. 21)Beyonder(Pre-retcon) 22)Elaine Belloc 23)Nyarlathotep The Rules: 1. ago. Beyonder is not that strong unless you wank him with his omnipotence bs which is stupid considering Michael's power has been stated to be limitless too. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. This fifth dimensionl counted. Or maybe some version of Neil Gaiman's Endless beings. So they pretty much stomps the likes of Galactus, Mephisto and etc who are universal at most. Every Super Power has a score (SPS) that is used to calculate the Class. The difference in power level between the two is therefore infinity. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. Marvel is hilariously inconsistent with power levels, if we took one off feats and off hand statements we would have thinks like beyond dimensional. Galactus Fused 23. • Speed: The Beyonder doesn't have too many solid speed feats, Omnipresence isn't considered as a speed tier but rather a state of existence + he's only omnipresent within his realm. Follow 3300. R1: Post retcon Beyonder vs Bleach verse. Molecule Man Beyonder Power 15. 1. Pre-Retcon Beyonder and LT would be about the same power level, imo. Also no Heart Of The Universe). The level is set when connecting that Super Power to a character. 0. 8 C. The story is a flashback to the original Secret Wars so he had Pre-Retcon Beyonder's powers, that's the Spider-Man being used. Power Grid [27] Intelligence @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. Super Power Score and Level. 2nd Retcon - The BEyonder. This also includes any editing errors, spelling errors, grammar errors etc. Beyonder is marvel. ago. 4,859 4,632. Pre retcon, the Beyonder was the most powerful being in the Marvel universe. Beyonder is a million times larger than an Infinite Dimensional Multiverse, the difference between him and an Omniverse is far greater than the one between MM. She/Her. Protege was getting the upper hand on Beyonder rather quicky b4 LT inturrupted their fight, i say Protege ". @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. Origin: Marvel Comics.